21:11Carl Pei describes how his interest in Apple products led him from building a Meizu fan community to working in China and helping start OnePlus. At Nothing, he applied lessons from OnePlus but faced factory skepticism, so the company began with earbuds; after quality problems left most of the first batch unable to charge, engineers worked alongside the factory to fix production. He emphasizes that hardware startups need to survive long enough to build volume, trusted manufacturing relationships, and stronger teams, and explains how Nothing’s design focus and Glyph Interface aim to make its products recognizable and encourage more mindful phone use. His advice is to sequence ambitious hardware plans by earning credibility with a smaller product before tackling a smartphone.