Patel argues that recent gains come mainly from broader, better data rather than clear improvements in training sample efficiency. He describes reinforcement learning as synthetic data generation: compute searches for good solutions using verifiers or rubrics, then models learn from those examples. This process depends on human experts supplying trajectories, completions, and rubrics for specific skills.
The data black hole at the center of AI
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Dwarkesh Patel, a podcast host, argues that AI progress depends heavily on vast amounts of task-specific data and that current models remain far less sample-efficient than humans.
Patel compares model training to years of instruction and practice, noting that GRPO can generate hundreds or thousands of rollouts for a task. He says frontier models train on tens to hundreds of trillions of tokens, while a person may encounter about 200 million language tokens by adulthood. He also points to robotics and autonomous driving: millions of demonstration hours still fall short of enabling complex open-ended robot tasks, and self-driving models use far more training data than a teenager's roughly 20 hours of driving practice.
Patel responds that the human genome is too small to contain a pretrained brain network, and suggests evolution may instead have shaped learning conditions such as hyperparameters and loss functions. He argues that pretrained AI models still need large datasets for each new skill, unlike people learning a programming language after education. He also says sensory input alone does not explain human intelligence, and cites scaling-law estimates suggesting infinitely more parameters would reduce required data by only about a factor of ten.
Patel says labs can profitably train models on common white-collar tasks because the skills can be taught at scale and shared across billions of sessions. Some jobs are predictable, while software engineering involves more out-of-distribution problems; he predicts demand for human software engineers could be higher in 2028 than now because AI complements their work. He frames automating AI research as the labs' route to addressing the remaining sample-efficiency problem, while leaving the implications for a future post.
Takeaways
- Treat expert examples, rubrics, and verifiable tasks as core inputs to AI capability, not just model architecture.
- Estimate data requirements separately for each skill; broad pretraining does not guarantee cheap acquisition of new capabilities.
- For workflows with common, repeatable tasks, compare the cost of large-scale model training with the value of reusing the resulting skill.
- In software engineering, plan for AI to complement human work on unfamiliar problems even as it automates routine tasks.
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- featureReinforcement learning: Generates synthetic training data by using compute against a verifier or LLM judge to identify good rollouts.
“RL is the main way this has happened.”
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Surge AI: Its website lists specialist roles for converting legacy documents into polished Word files.“Mercor or Surge’s websites”
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Mercor: Its website lists specialist roles for converting legacy documents into polished Word files.“I recommend checking out the job descriptions on Mercor”
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Epoch AI: Open models lag state-of-the-art frontier models by four months, according to a report.
Open models lag state-of-the-art frontier models by four months, according to a report.“Epoch recently reported that open models lag state-of-the-art frontier models by four months.”
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- metricfrontier models: Trained on tens to hundreds of trillions of tokens.
“trained on somewhere between tens to hundreds of trillions of tokens”
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Google Labs: The speaker says their two overarching objectives are to automate white-collar work and AI research.
“the two overarching objectives they have are, one, to automate white-collar work, and two, to automate AI research itself”
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Google Labs: The speaker says labs can amortize AI training across billions of sessions.
“what they learn can be amortized across billions of sessions at once”
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- featureDwarkesh.com: The speaker's website offers blog posts and newsletter sign-up.
“go sign up for my newsletter at my website, Dwarkesh.com”
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