Nejatian says Shopify aims to make building work the primary job for people who want to be crafters. Its manager and crafter tracks reach the same levels, so people can earn more and take on broader responsibility without adding direct reports. He argues that leading complex work, such as an open-source project, can be as demanding as managing a team.
How Shopify Rages Against Meetings
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Kaz Nejatian, COO of Shopify, talks with Peter Yang about building a craft-focused company, including Shopify’s approach to product work, meetings, and serving merchants.
Shopify limits pixel-perfect presentations and often reviews code directly. Its product process moves from proposal to prototype, with review at the prototype stage; Nejatian says teams focus on the product being built rather than a strategy presentation. He also describes talking with customers regularly, having Shopify stores, and letting employees work in customer service to experience merchant problems.
Nejatian says Shopify is not an OKR or metrics-driven company, because some important things are hard to measure. He describes the work as building platforms, products and features, or experiments, and says teams should use measurement while also relying on product judgment and customer feedback. He values user empathy, ownership, and taste in product managers.
Shopify canceled recurring meetings, reinstated No Meeting Wednesdays, removed some channels, and changed the default response to calendar invites from yes to no. Nejatian says meeting time fell by about 33%, the company deleted roughly 322 hours of meetings, and it shipped 25% faster. He also describes weekly written updates and says recurring meetings can point to missing information or processes that teams should improve.
Nejatian says Shopify focuses on helping people build retail businesses and sell things, including creators who want to launch brands or use affiliate links. It does not aim to serve every creator need, such as making VR content. He frames focus as choosing a specific customer problem and being exceptional at solving it.
Takeaways
- Create a career path for individual contributors that offers growth without requiring direct reports.
- Review working prototypes and code to keep product discussions grounded in what users will get.
- Talk to customers regularly, and give employees direct exposure to support issues.
- Protect uninterrupted work by making meetings opt-in and sharing routine updates in writing.
- Choose a clear customer problem, and decline work outside the product’s purpose.
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“Kaz Nejatian, Chief Operating Officer at Shopify.”
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Shopify: Has separate manager and crafter job tracks that reach the same levels.
“There’s a manager track and a crafter track, and they both go up to the same levels.”
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Shopify: Product work progresses through proposal and prototype stages, with review at the prototype stage.
“The first stage is called “proposal”… The second stage is “prototype.””
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Shopify uses Chaos Monkey
“We wrote the code to do it.”
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Shopify: Company shipping speed increased by 25%.
“The company is shipping 25% faster.”
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Shopify: Average time people spend in meetings went down by about 33%.
“We’ve seen the average time people spend in meetings go down by about 33%.”
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Shopify: Deleted about 322 hours of meetings, described as 36 years’ worth.
“We’ve deleted something like 322 hours of meetings—that’s 36 years’ worth.”
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Shopify: Changed the default response to meeting invitations from yes to no unless attendance is needed.
“We changed the default answer to a meeting from yes to no.”
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Shopify: Uses frequent written updates, including weekly updates, as part of its operating system.
“A core part of it is frequent written updates, like weekly written updates.”
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“We have products in there, like a product called Collabs, which lots of creators use.”
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