Jay describes RT-2, which fine-tuned a language model pretrained on web text and images to output robot end-effector poses. The discussion contrasts that approach with newer models that can use tools, write code, and adapt in context. The guests suggest that broad pretraining data may matter as much as the model architecture.
Robot-Use Agents: Why General-Purpose Models May Win in Robotics
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Jaime of Waddle Labs and Jay of RoboCurve discuss LLM-based robot control, evaluations, and what could make general-purpose models useful for robotics with Y Combinator hosts François and the main speaker.
The guests trace coding agents from Voyager, which created reusable tools for Minecraft, to robotics research that used Python functions such as picking up an object or moving to a pose. They say models could combine these functions into complex tasks without additional robot data. François outlines limits of in-context learning: performance can fluctuate and often saturates after roughly 20 to 40 examples.
Astra controls robot arms using camera feeds and commands to move a block into a bowl. The guests distinguish direct, repeated model calls from a harness that can run compiled skills quickly and use a vision-language model at decision points. They identify model latency as a bottleneck and discuss consolidating successful attempts into reusable policies.
The panel discusses the idea that capable models trained on different data may learn similar representations of the world. One guest suggests that vision, CAD, and computer-use data can teach spatial concepts such as orientation and movement. The panel proposes that combining these data types with robotics tools could improve robot control.
A guest says some frontier labs and robotics companies expect general-purpose robots within about two years, describing systems that could follow natural-language instructions across unfamiliar tasks and settings. The panel points to latency and economic usefulness as challenges. They discuss collecting robot experiences, organizing skills, and distilling what works into faster models.
Takeaways
- When evaluating robot-control approaches, compare broad model pretraining and tool use with robotics-specific training.
- Treat reusable code or compiled skills as a way to preserve successful task experience and reduce repeated model calls.
- In-context learning can help in low-data settings, but the discussion reports diminishing gains after roughly 20 to 40 examples.
- Test whether computer-use, CAD, and vision data improve spatial tasks on the target robot and environment.
- Measure latency alongside task success when deciding whether a model-driven robot workflow is practical.
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- role atVincent is founder at Waddle Labs
“I'm Jaime, from Waddle Labs, together with Vincent.”
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- role atJaime is founder at Waddle Labs
“I'm Jaime, from Waddle Labs, together with Vincent.”
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- featureWaddle Labs: Builds harnesses, collects data, and trains LLMs for robot control
“We work on building LLMs that control robots.”
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“I'm Jay, co-founder of RoboCurve.”
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- featureRoboCurve: Evaluates physical AI across robots, models, environments, and platforms
“We're an evaluation company for physical AI.”
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- featureRT-2: Fine-tuned language model outputs end-effector poses for robot control
“Instead of outputting English, it outputs what we call an end-effector pose.”
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- metricin-context learning: In the described experiment, improvement saturated after about 20–40 examples
“After 20, 30, maybe 40 examples, it’s basically saturated.”
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Astra: Uses camera feeds and robot commands to perform manipulation tasks
“We're watching Astra controlling the arms to pick a block off the table and put it into the bowl.”
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