Shulman and his co-founders moved from financial-services AI into audio after working on speech transcription and recognizing how much room there was to explore sound. Though they first considered speech, their shared experience as musicians drew them toward music. He says music depends on taste and subjective judgment, so scaling a model alone does not solve the product challenge.
Inside Suno, the AI Music App You Won't Be Able to Stop Listening To
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Mikey Shulman, CEO and co-founder of Suno, talks with Peter Yang about building an AI music product, how people use it, and how AI may reshape the music industry.
Suno uses Transformers to predict small pieces of sound, represented by audio tokens that compress the continuous signal. Shulman describes two common user groups: power users who spend hours refining songs, and casual users who make and share songs about family or everyday events. He says 25 million people had made songs on Suno, most for the first time, and that sharing supports organic growth.
Shulman says Suno v4 improved audio fidelity, songs, and lyrics without changing the product interface. He highlights Covers as a feature shaped around the appeal of keeping a song familiar while changing its style, which required work on both the model and the interface. The team gathers feedback from its 400,000-person Discord community and tracks signals such as likes, listening past 30 seconds, and shares.
Shulman frames AI music as part of a longer history of technologies that made music easier to record, copy, and access. He warns that AI could enable uncredited imitation of artists or solitary hyper-personalized listening, and argues for a future where more people participate in making and sharing music. He says Suno aims to make creation more social and to work with more professional musicians.
Shulman says teams should build features around what users will love, then work out how to make the model deliver them. Suno charges users and uses payment behavior to learn what people value beyond novelty. His advice to product builders is to focus on user problems and comparative strengths rather than treating model internals as the product.
Takeaways
- Start with a user experience people will value, then determine what the model needs to do.
- For subjective products like music, combine usage signals with human judgment; benchmarks alone are insufficient.
- Measure the full experience: latency can affect whether users like unchanged output.
- Look for distinct user segments and their different jobs, rather than assuming one typical customer.
- Make sharing and collaboration part of the product when they fit how people already use it.
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- role atMikey Shulman is CEO and co-founder at
Suno
“My guest today is Mikey Shulman, the CEO and co-founder of Suno”
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- previously atMikey Shulman previously at Kensho
“The founders of the company were all at a different AI company called Kensho”
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Suno uses Transformer++
“it's just Transformers”
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Suno: 25 million people had made songs on Suno
“25 million people have made songs on Suno”
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Suno: All growth had been organic to date
“All of our growth has really been organic to date”
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- launched
“Maybe you can walk through Suno v4”
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Suno: Lets users adapt a song into a new style
Lets users adapt a song into a new style“Everybody has songs they know and like, and wants to hear them redone in different ways they imagine”
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Suno: 400,000 people in its Discord community
“There are 400,000 people in that Discord”
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