Cutts recalls joining Google in 2000, when only three people started on the same day and the company worked late nights and weekends. Projects and staffing were informal: after working on SafeSearch, he joined the small ads group when it needed help. Google’s success was uncertain during the dot-com crash, and he worried competitors such as AltaVista might catch up.
on the US Digital Service and Working at Google for 17 Years
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Matt Cutts, acting administrator of the U.S. Digital Service and a former Google web spam team leader, joins Y Combinator’s podcast to discuss nearly 17 years at Google, improving government technology, and serving users.
Cutts describes early ad experiments, including a prototype that strained Google’s servers when caching was disabled for 30% of users. Self-service AdWords showed the potential of reaching niche customers, such as people buying Maine lobster online. He explains that search quality work meant responding to spam while giving businesses practical guidance, such as making sites faster and easier to navigate.
After leaving Google, Cutts joined the U.S. Digital Service, which grew out of efforts to stabilize HealthCare.gov. USDS works with agencies on urgent system problems, short discovery sprints, and longer projects, including helping immigrants become citizens and veterans claim benefits. Its roughly 180 people include engineers, designers, product managers, procurement specialists, recruiters, and lawyers, often serving for a limited tour.
Cutts says technical staff can help agencies assess contractors, avoid unsuitable systems, and make procurement decisions based on code quality. He describes progress such as federal bug bounty programs beginning in 2016 and agencies exploring cloud services, while noting that government technology still lags private industry. Small improvements can matter at scale, such as making benefits claims easier to track or forms usable on phones.
Cutts argues that watching users and hearing from them helps teams find problems they would otherwise miss. A Veterans Affairs team spoke with 5,000 veterans and built a tool to help some upgrade discharge status and qualify for benefits. He contrasts Google’s fun workplace with USDS’s difficult but meaningful work, and says people can contribute through a six-month government tour or other civic technology roles.
Takeaways
- Use early user conversations to uncover confusing steps and language before committing to a design.
- When a project is stuck, investigate the seams between systems and teams, where failures often occur.
- In procurement, assess working code and fit for the problem, not just polished proposals or buzzwords.
- A small service improvement can have broad impact when it helps people access essential benefits.
- Treat spam and misuse as ongoing problems: combine automation, skilled human review, and clear guidance for legitimate users.
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- role atMatt Cutts is head of the web spam team at
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Google“Previously, you were at Google”
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- role atMatt Cutts is administrator at US Digital Service
“you're the administrator of the U.S. Digital Service”
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- builtMatt Cutts built SafeSearch
“one of the first projects I worked on was SafeSearch”
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- launchedself-service advertising
“The first self-service ad we got for AdWords”
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Google: Search results are ordered using ranking systems and can be adjusted algorithmically or manually“you'd never be able to tweak or adjust the search engine”
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- featureUS Digital Service: Offers limited-term tours of duty, typically two to four years
“we've got this two- to four-year tour-of-duty model”
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